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Hi I have had some dealings with a company called Air4Zero which is based in Israel.
It claims to be able to convert any combustion engine vehicle to compressed air.
I now believe it is a sham.
Does anyone know more about this company.

Please see the amazing claims they make at

http://www.air4zero.com
Administration comment:
Before using the link consider risk of computer viruses
(Firefox or Mac may be useful)

Thanks for posting,
that would be fun if there would chance that it would be a joke,
but I got worrying feeling that it is not.

If there is investor recruitment going on in your country, please forward the
material to major news papers and to police and/or bank-market inspectation
authorities (ministry of economics or like)

I made a quick search and there were hyip references with this search word.

They are offering investment with extremely high yield, multiplying the income
within a few months until November when they will be selling the things all over the
world
http://www.air4zero.com/shares.htm

The web site is aimed to look impressive new vehicle industry, some work with
computer graphics. The idea and plans appear to be far from industrial reality and
if they would not be taking money, I would consider this as a student practical joke, or a sociological study. Another possibility is that the web page is
used to spread viruses?

They appear to have been selling for some time and now 50-hundred fold gain is within a half year?

"Air4zero is offering a private investment in our projects making huge profits in short term of six to 12 months with a very high potential of doubling and and tripling the investment, turning a $1.00 investment into $3.00 to $5.00 within months. Once we start our mass production on November 2009 share value could reach between $50 to $100 dollar per share."

Please see Wikipedia about HYIP invenstment scams,
which are pyramid or "Ponzi"-scams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-yield ... nt_program

They have also recruiting programs like in pyramid scam and web site for changing bank account information (there may be possibiliy of different scams with this type of information)


Share holder benefits!

* Your own admin password protected web site.
* View in real-time business activities and projects progress.
* An option to participate in our affiliate program making 10% commissions on referrals and investments of $1,000 to $1M.
* Your own affiliate coded web site like this one you're reading now.
* View in real-time earning commissions and sales.
* Modify your profile or bank information, and choose when and where would you like to be paid your earning commissions.
* Weekly news letter on Air4zero projects and investments.
* Get 30% Discount on all A4Z products.
* Equal partner in profit sharing on all A4Z projects.
* Be part of a multi billion dollar industry.

Then tere is an affiliate program by which you could make 100 000 or more
based on advertising this, also a pyramid feature

And a franchise program with fee of 25 000 USD and expected in come of 2-5 million per year to be signed on the webpage, with anyone interested ???

And then you can get free share for One USD donation... and web access possibility to
refer the company with comission. There is referral to US?? tax exemption law
for donations to a foundation

"The Air4Zero Foundation is tax exempt under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, and gifts to The Foundation are tax-deductible under Section 170 (b) (1) (A)(vi) of the Code. IRS regulations require that you retain a written acknowledgement from The Foundation to support your claim of a tax deduction. A receipt of your gift will be mailed to you shortly. The Foundation confirms that you received no goods or services in return for your gift."

Agreement is apprently with US company? (it would be interesting to find somebody for comment, but likely not possible)
FRANCHISE CENTER AGREEMENT!

AIR4ZERO MOTORS INC.
280 MADISON AVE
NEW YORK
NEW YORK, 10016

There may be a US? phone number?
For more information in general: More info Or cal us: 646-452-9488

There is no information of the soon to be multi billion company's address, country, registration, stock exhange information, names of the scientists, patents or executives.

No regular business would operate like this.

The information about the company in Israel could be interesting.

The reference competitors such as Indian Tata light weight minicar and an European car maker are likely correct, there has been at least considerations of air pressure cars (CAT). These do not promise free energy

If free energy is promissed, it is a scam or laws of physics do not apply.
here is a link to a critical article about air pressure cars:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/comments/4313894.html


If there is really money collecting going on, there should be scam allerts in the web and authorites chacking the company?

I think there has been major pyramids taking property of millions of people scam all over the world, so people should learn..

Regards
neird
Mytbustersforum

We had here a major scam of tens of millions Euros called WinCapita. The fraudsters were claiming the there is a way to make hundred of % profits with currency trading.

There was a personal net portal where you could see how the exchange rates are changing and you are making huge profits. Thousands of ordinary people invested and got their friends and relatives to invest, and some at the top of the pyramid got rich until one day the net pages and money disappeared.

Some of the investors believed even after six months that miracle could happen and the web pages with their huge fortunes would be opened again

The concept includes recruitment seminars where very wealthy looking geniuses with their supporters explained why this is the best business ever.


In principle there is certain amount of energy needed for moving a car. Same or larger amount of energy is needed to compress air as it can produce work when it expands.
Possibly there is an air pump in the car and driver just would need to provide the energy for moving the car by pumping. This would not be fast, but it would certainly be green energy

The claims of the free pressure energy are so stupid, that this could be a joke or new reality tv format were scams are tested on people.

Air4Zero is based in Tel Aviv and the CEO is Raphael Ben
and he claims ownership of US patent no 4,651,525
I've checked it out but it seems to be owned by Luis Cestero from San Juan P.R.

This is old US-patent number. US patents are only valid in US.

The older US patents are valid for 17 years from acceptance, newer 20 years from filing as in rest of the world.

This patent would have been expired 03-24-2004, but it expired 1991 because of failure in payments.

As you noted the inventor was LUIS G. CESTERO , CAPARRA HEIGHTS, PR (US) and most likely has nothing to do with the operation (at least with this patent case).

Is somebody selling investments based on this ?
The person would be very arrogant.
Is this a joke,
or is there people arranging meetings to sell shares of company?
if so, it could be good to inform police about very probably pyramid scam.

They may own a paper copy of an expired patent, on the other hand anyone can print such from internet, even several copies, if would like to "own more patent documents"..

The patent prosecution details including validity can be checked from US patent office pair pages
http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/pair

Patent Number: 4,651,525
Issue Date of Patent: 03-24-1987


Status: Patent Expired Due to NonPayment of Maintenance Fees Under 37 CFR 1.362
Status Date: 03-24-1991

Sometimes old US patents have continuations accepted later and thus valid longer,
there is infomation that is is also not the case, all derived cases have been

Description Parent Number Parent Filing or 371(c) Date ParentStatus
This application is a Continuation
in part of 06/697,889 11-07-1984 Abandoned -
is a continuation of 06/462,938 02-01-1983 Abandoned -
is a continuation of 06/261,717 05-08-1981 Abandoned -


There are peoples names and profiles under staff-page (sitemap) on the Air4Zero, which could be checked from patent databases and other web details.
http://www.air4zero.com/a4z/staff.htm

There is some company address info under site map, some countries where
possible odd businesses should be checked:

http://www.air4zero.com/a4z/site_map.htm
Air4zero Motors Inc. Tel : 646-452-9488

USA
280 Madison Ave
New York NY 10016;

Australia
69 Reservoir St,
Surry Hills, Sydney, NSW 2010,

Hong Kong
Central Tower, 28 Queen's Road,

South Africa
1 Sandton Drive, Snd, 2146 Johannesburg,

This looks well busted.

A priority could be getting authorities check computers, people and money transfers behind this before they disappear. If it is multinational thing these should be coordinated. You may consider hiding this discusion until authorities have done their job.

There is a "Patent assignment" agreement document
(reference number 00014755), dated July 27th 2004.
It supposedly assigns patent rights from Luis G Cestero over to Rafael Ben (Air4Zero motors LTD).
In that assignment document, it shows that the expiration date of the US patent no.
4651525 will expire 26th May 2010.

I do not know how to verify the legitamcy of this assignment document.

It looks impossible that the patent issued 1987 could be valid based on the regular patent terms.

The information of expiration 1991 on the US PTO pair site should be also valid.

I cannot imagine any other explanation than that the assignment is a fraudelent document, probably even fortification with regard to the inventor (could he be reached or found by web search, if still alive?). The idea might be that they are assingning patent rights from patent which should be obviously invalid and that would reduce their wrong doing, but claim that the patent would be valid could make it a direct fraud.

Furthermore I don't see that the claimed assignment to US patent right valid until May 2010 would be much even theoretic use in business, where there has not yet May 2009 been any real product launch. If there would be only such the patent protection it would not be worth much, practically nothing.
The air4zero site indicates that Raphael Ben would have patents in 85 countries, which I could find any indication on Wipo pages or espacenet.


For verification
Official document can be ordered from USPTO
http://ebiz1.uspto.gov/oems25p/index.html
This costs some as there is per copy charges, it could be 25 USD for one page
and there could be sevaral pages needed:
I would imagine that the most cost effective would try to order selected document "Selected Paper from Patent File Wrapper" where you can pick a file wrapper document with a specific date:
expiration document in transaction history this document should be dated (transaction history in PAIR folder)
09-20-2001 Expire Patent,
possibly one could ask if there is any document on the expiration status date
03-24-1991

Another useful document could be:
03-24-1987 Recordation of Patent Grant Mailed, it should contain the issue data (possibly also term, I'm not sure)

"Presentation of Patent" the first page of issued patent would apparently verify the issue data from which possible maximum validity could be counted (+17 years from issuing for older US patent), the "file wrapper" should contain all documents also about the expiration, then there is "Patent Abstract of Title" ceritfied list of all document, which would indicate also the expiration document archiving date.

It could be better ask an expert first which documemnt would be OK for verification of the case. For example US patent office USPTO help number or help email
or a local patent attorney at a local patent attorney company (if they would be kind enough giving simple advice without charging too much which may be a risk) or possibly if there is help person at local patent authority e.g if not in USA
Europe EPO, http://www.epoline.org/portal/public, Australia http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/ etc.

It would appear to me that verification of the documents could be given to police and/or security/bank expectation authority. The material referred and web page indicated are obviously extremely suspect. Quick action by authorities could ease the later investigation and help people to get their money back.

I'm considering to hide this discussion for a while to avoid warning the possible fraudsters in case they are scanning web with their company name

Please, indicate that you've seen this and copy the material, if consider useful to you. Scam appears to be going on several countries and authorities should cooperate.

Yes, I have copies of all the documents and I have scanned espacenet and wipo and uspto.

I see no alternative but to inform authorities, but which ones?

I think in most countries scams can be reported to police,
it could be more direct if market security controlling authority is contacted,
here are some examples:

In USA www.sec.gov
http://www.sec.gov/complaint/cf942sec9570.htm

In Europe it may be local police or national bank and security
inspectation authority, possiblu findable from Central Bank
http://www.ecb.int/home/html/index.en.html
or Europol
http://www.europol.europa.eu/

If you are in Australia, this is probably the Financial/Secirurity control authority
there is online form, email and phone number

http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic.nsf
http://www.fido.gov.au/fido/fido.nsf

http://www.fido.gov.au/fido/fido.nsf/by ... enDocument

Call the Financial Ombudsman Service on 1300 780 808

Contact ASIC on infoline@asic.gov.au or 1300 300 630 (International +613 5177 3777).

http://www.fido.gov.au/fido/fido.nsf/by ... enDocument

lodge your complaint online

or

Download complaint form

http://www.fido.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/ ... t_Form.pdf


There is separetely a 100 dollar prize for finding best scam with 100 word description
http://www.fido.gov.au/fido/fido.nsf/by ... t#previous

How to nominate a scam for the Pie In The Sky Award

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1. Check whether the scam qualifies for the Pie In The Sky Awards.

YES
To qualify for the Pie In The Sky Awards, a scam must be within ASIC's responsibilities.

We cover:

* consumer protection for investments
* investment advice
* superannuation
* insurance
* deposit taking
* credit/borrowing.

NO
Some scams don't qualify for the Pie In The Sky Awards because they are outside ASIC's responsibilities. These scams include:

* Nigerian scams
* lottery scams
* pyramid marketing schemes.

See schemes outside ASIC's powers for details of who to contact about these scams.

2. If the scam qualifies for the Pie In The Sky Awards, tell us about it (in around 100 words or less if you can).
3. Email your entry to pieinthesky@asic.gov.au. Or fax hardcopy entries to 02 9911 2642.

I think there there is not much doubt that this would be a scam,
even quite badly produced
I copied following from a starting webforum http://www.supportco2free.com
checking the owner of the webpages indicates constant similar activity
and could refer to US company/person(s):


Whois gives:
Registration Service Provided By: SharkSpace
Contact: domains@sharkspace.com
Visit: http://www.SharkSpace.com

Domain name: air4zero,com

Registrant Contact:
Elmer Stores Network
Robert emerson ()

Fax:
6000 Ventura Blvd
Enhico, CA 91436
US

Administrative Contact:
Elmer Stores Network
Robert emerson (web@elmerpay.com)
+1.7173261190
Fax:
6000 Ventura Blvd
Enhico, CA 91436
US

Technical Contact:
Elmer Stores Network
Robert emerson (web@elmerpay.com)
+1.7173261190
Fax:
6000 Ventura Blvd
Enhico, CA 91436
US

And Google gives with "Elmer Stores Network" :

Rip-off Report: Elmer Stores Network, AGM (Alegro Global Marketing ...
Rip-off Report: Elmer Stores Network Signing up with Elmer Stores ...
...Are you also a victim of the Elmer Stores Network? Submit a complaint to help other consumers to be educated and don't let them get away with it!...
retired Complaints - Elmer Stores Network Fraud...
Elmer Stores Network -AGM Scammer's New Scam -...

Those are quotes from first five results.
In site was "A4Z PROXIMA". Design creator send me email:
Quote:after the threats of legal actions the page regarding the Proxima is magically disappeared. What kind of...

Quote from web site Quote:Air pressure is recycled back to the air tank, with no need to refuel the air tank ever again.

Another Quote:How the A4Z generates an unlimited driving range.

Every other form of energy like oil, diesel, gasoline, natural gas and ethanol, becomes a wasted energy after they have been used, our air system works as an hermetic closed cycle, reusing the same air pressure that goes into the chamber and is recycled back to the air tank without wasting the energy out through the exhaust as it normally would, that makes the engine running as a near perpetual motion for non stop driving.

How those explain perpetual motion?

I close my case at one Quote from those Rip-off Reports:
Quote:to the Israel Discount Bank, account 70311473, Beneficiary Name: Elmer Stores Ltd. in the sum of US $ 3.500,--

A4Z claims that they are Israel company.

I think that this is not a scam this is just test how stupid peoples can be
If you are one of investors I must say at I'm sorry

wow, you have been very productive.

Luckily, NO, I am not an investor nor shall I be.

It's time to bust these guys.

Thanks for interesting posting and information.

The theory is busted, and we look forward to see if there is any reactions from authorities which should be aware at least in US, based on some feed back.

I removed the original topic from New energy sources (weel busted as such) and checked that the company name cannot be found by google from this forum (it is indexed poorly because of it position, need to reconsider if it starts to be shown).
This is to avoid causing any too early worries for the "company".

It could be useful to publish maximally the thing to avoid people getting robbed, but authorities could need a moment to get it sorted out. I assume the project would disappear anyway from web before November, so it is getting urgent.

In case any consequences, it could be interesting to get reports to the forum.

I saw some cahnges under site map contact information (may be also elsewhere).

Apparently they have fooled people in India, Mexico and Australia (or see prospect for that). There is list of other countries where people may be getting fooled. There appears to be separate Australian web address so there may be special selling going on.

The web site is still active and scam is broadening.

Authorities should be stop it and confiscate their computers and all information about money transactions and freeze all money and bank accounts.

New information from the company site about franchises:

Australia: AAM Ltd: www.air4zero.com.au
Mexico: MAM Corp: www.air4zero.com/mx
India: IAM Ltd. www.air4zero.com/india

Coming soon: Canada, South Africa, Brazil, Sweden, Switzerland, Romania, Germany, France, Bulgaria, Philippines, New Zealand, China, and Japan. We are open for partnership with the rest of the world providing the Air4zero conversion services, and manufacturing our new air engines with a none stop driving range.

There appears to be more contact information about Australian
franchise company. Apparently there is active selling of franchise and
investments going on. A trade mark my be registered and there is
a ABN number which could be checked if this means a registed business?
The webpage appears to have been registed by an Australian person.

When the main company contain very little info suspect looking names
with writing errors, here may be a real person or a stolen identity doing
"business".

The address is differnet from the Sidney office addres a week ago.

The scam may be using the hype and publicity of MDI company apparently
operating in Australia and having prototypes and verifiable development,
though with apparent serious problems and risks,
see popular mechanics article in second posting.
The energy amount needed from for a heavy moving car does not come from
air (except if a hurricane would be moving the car).

Australia Air4Zero Motors Pty Ltd. was formed on 22nd of February 2009 headquarters offices are based in
5 Pretty Sally Drive Wallan Vic 3756 Australia
as a trade mark (©AAM) headed by
Peter Stagno Navarra as the C.E.O of the AAM corporation
+61 403 369138
ABN NO:65135520768

Part of the AAM projects is to open up A4Z Franchise Centers all over the country with exclusivity rights over states, cities and local territories. Part of our plan is to create over 100,000 new jobs to the Australian citizens in the next five years, with great income and benefits for mechanics, engineering, management and many other fields.

The campaign just goes on
http://www.a4z.camp9.org/
Why don't authorities do anything?

It is also shame that Al Gore blog has not removed this scam from their pages
http://algore.civicactions.net/blog/air ... _warming_0

This is actually quite honest scam, they disclaim every responsibility:

Air4zero Terms:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Air4Zero Motors, Inc. provides, through this web site (www.air4zero.com), certain Air4Zero Motors information, ratings and earning estimates related to companies whose securities are publicly traded, and certain articles, explanatory text, and product information (collectively, the "Air4Zero Motors® Information"). Your use of the Air4Zero Motors® Information is entirely at your own risk and it is your sole responsibility to evaluate the accuracy, completeness and usefulness of all Air4Zero Motors® Information.

2. All Air4Zero Motors ® Information is provided "as is" and on an "as available" basis without warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied, including without limitation warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose. Neither Air4Zero Motors, Inc. nor any of it's affiliates warrants that the Air4Zero Motors® Information will be accurate, complete, uninterrupted or error free or that any information, software, or other material accessible from or related to the Air4Zero Motors® Information is free of viruses, worms, or other harmful components.

3. Under no circumstances shall Air4Zero Motors, Inc., or their affiliates be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental, special, punitive or consequential damages that result in any way from your use, non-use or reliance upon the Air4Zero Motors® Information, or that result from mistakes, omissions, interruptions or deletions of files, errors or defects in the Air4Zero Motors® Information, delays in operation, transmission or failure of performance. If you are dissatisfied with any Air4Zero Motors® Information, your sole and exclusive remedy is to discontinue using the Air4Zero Motors® Information.

There is business link telling that Air4zero is a company from Israel
http://b2b.tradeholding.com/default.cgi ... id/432390/

Interestingly the US page does pretend that the company would be a US company,
and there is no words about Israel.
Apparently at least some money traffic is directed to Israel.

Is Elmer Stores Network cover up for Israel operation or vice versa?

Has anyone seen Mr Rafael (or Raphael or Rapahel) Ben?
There is no pictures of US company's key people nor traceable personal details,
which would match with any other data in web (most of us can be found by google
and this should be obvious case with real business people).

A Swedish technology site refers to Air4zero as
“Air4Zero rena bedrägeriförsöket” which translates
”Air2Zero pure Fraud Attempt”

Article was published June 17 2009, I added some extra comments.

http://www.nyteknik.se/popular_teknik/t ... 595185.ece

Here is approximate translation from new technology readers comments:

Is this real? No.

The site was considered not as a student joke but a seriously meant attempt of fraud (scam).

There are many arguments for impossibility of things could work as indicated by Air4Zero.

One can start with the law of thermodynamics about “free lunches” (there is none), the law is also called as the law of conservation of energy

One can consider impossibility of with 30 bar pressure to transfer large amounts of gas with 300 bar pressure.
Comment: This refers to scheme where the gas is returned after the motor in side of car from low pressure to high pressure, apparently without use of any energy.

The effect of air driven motor comes from the difference between high an low pressure being equalized and transferred to mechanical energy
Comment: This apparently relates to the first point, the energy is not increased in the process, but there is always losses in changing the energy to other form. This means that much less energy is available for mechanical driving the motor than is use for filling the tank. Obviously electricity or gas or some other regular energy source is needed to power the compressor.]

The size of the air tank to drive 20000 miles (32000 km) would not be reasonable. There is limit after which high pressure turns gas to liquid and liquids can not be compressed much

Comment: The article of popular mechanics site says that less than 10 miles have been demonstrated with tanks with similar pressure and size (information apparently copied from other air cars, not claiming free energy, for 20000 miles a tank with 2000 fold size would be needed. If the thanks of regular air cars are about 46 gallons (for calculation approximated as 250 liters) as referred by popular mechanics, the size of Air4zero tank would be 2000 x 250 liters = 500 cubic meters and weigh from tens to hundreds of tons?. 500 cubic meter would make 50 meter high car if length would be 5 meters and width 2 meters or alternatively you should have a 50 meters long tank on trailer with width of 2 meters and height of 5 meters.

That would be two 25 meters special truck containers weighing hundred tons as a ecologic fuel tank for regular car?
The construct would possible not move on flat road but could possibly roll downhill

I would also call this definitely BUSTED myth.

With regard to patent term discussion, I think the PAIR info is accurate and
can be verified by ordering the expirary document

Here is an email from USPTO about patent terms, this mean that patent would have
been expired within 17 years from issue as I wrote(but was actually expired before,
because lack of payments):

From: "ebc@uspto.gov" <ebc@uspto.gov>
Hello,

There wont be a place on the website to see expiration dates for patents. A patent usually expires 20 years from the filing date if it was filed after 1995. If it were filed before 1995, then it would normally expire 17 years from the issue date. The are patent terms that can change the expiration date. Please contact Inventors Assistant Center at 1-800-786-9199 for more clarification.

Thank you,
RMontgomery


[THREAD ID:1-2DUDOZ]

They are advertising on Twitter.
David Bergman is one of the fake directors of Air4Zero without any verifiable personal history.
Bellow are the claims in twitter format and a new aspect of fighting oil industry (which s "Big Oil" in some theories may have conspiracy against green technology).


Converting cars running on air at zero cost and zero pollution with a none stop driving range. No need to rfuel my tank ever again absol ...
3:32 PM Apr 19th from web

A4Z revolutionary discovery in the green energy industry, transforming cars running on compressed air at zero cost, and zero pollution w ...
2:05 PM Apr 19th from web

Driving cars on air is the alternative way of fighting the gas prices and drop down the global warming. Lets do it together right now!!!
1:51 PM Apr 19th from web

Name David Bergman
Location USA
Web http://www.air4ze...
Bio Driving cars on air. Fight the oil industry, Drop the global warming today!


There is a follower Esteme, who appears to believe strongly or is payed by or part of Air4Zero
Name MJThompson
Location Long Beach, California - USA
Web http://www.squido...
Bio Author of several self-improvement works &amp; spiritual commentaries. Owns &amp; operates many commercial websites that showcase his assortment of ebooks &amp

Revolutionary discovery transforms vehicles running on gasoline to compressed air with a 20k miles driving range! http://air4zero.v-ww.info
4:52 PM Jun 2nd from web

Convert Your vehilce from gas to air. You'll be running at zero cost, zero pollution, and far less engine wear! http://air4zero.v-ww.info
4:43 PM Jun 2nd from web
Convert any internal combustion engine from gas to compressed air. Non poluting, Clean, FREE - AIR! http://air4zero.v-ww.info
4:34 PM Jun 2nd from web
Convert Your vehicle from gas to air! That's right - AIR - This is for REAL! No gasoline FOREVER! - http://air4zero.v-ww.info
4:26 PM Jun 2nd from web
Guaranteed to run completely on compressed = 1 million miles to the gallon - AND ... FRESH AIR! http://newestbizopps.com
Must see technology supposedly can replace gasoline with air pressure in all internal combustion engines >>>http://air4zero.v-ww.info.
5:44 PM May 5th from web

There is a copy webpage, apparently for risk of possible loosing the first web-page, this site is with interesting affiliate info on page site map.


There is one scam warning in twitter
@FranchiseLawyer Air4Zero is a clever scam. They entice affiliate marketers with 1000 shares of bogus stock to promote them.5:29 AM Feb 25th from TweetDeck in reply to FranchiseLawyer
FranchisePick
Sean Kelly

The web page is updated with new copied pictures of
prototype or concept cars (note that the product here is conversion kit,
not a new car design).
There is no verification information about a technology. The demonstration video of 400 horse power motor has been just coming to web for a year now. One related page they announced that the motor bike was presented in a "hangar", but there was no indication about the location of the hangar and the show where this would have happened.

There is pictures of a garage, but no indication where the "conversion centre" garage is located or who the people would be. The picture appears to be stolen from web and abused.

In the new web pages there is no longer the fake person information, the names (like Rafael/Rapahel/Raphael Ben) and fake cv:s of "Israel" business men (unknown to google) have disppaeared. Any real company page includes information about the key persons of the company. The US company phone number has been replaced by a New York ? service transfer number?

There is huge disclaimer stating that you should not rely on any information given by Air4Zero. They include "stock survey" information, which is not accessible, as if the fake stocks would be have been listed somewhere. For a real company there would be exact stock listing information, and links to stock exchange and all survey and SEC information available with links

These bastards are already prepearing to end the operation in November and they are covering up any information, which could be connected to them.

If you have invested or has been offered an investment by a person, contact immediately police and authorities indicated in discussion above. All information allowing to find the fraudsters and their identities and alias names, and all evidence about the fraud including money transactions, should be collected and provided to authorities.

It is really amazing how long obvious frauds can go on after clear warning and very obvious signs of fraud. The success of the hoax is based on the negligence and slow operations of authorities.

Hi willemou! Thanks for posting...For sure many people would be aware with this company.
Thanks!

Regards,
llaurice1
placementfinancier
(unnecessary link removed by administration)

On Australian page there is sign that the site is under reparation,
and ask return soon.
This is very probable sign that the fraudster are packing the money
and reserving tickets to get to place thay cannot found from.

The final dead line is November, when they claim
to get the product to market. It is very obvious that this won't happen.

In fact, I have spoken to the franchise holder in Australia
and he has told me directly, that the conversion kit is in transit to Australia right now and is expected any day now.

You are going to get world's first practical free energy machine (very close to perpetual motion machine)?

And there shall be demonstration? and independent engineurs can check the system?

If such demonstration would really happen it would mean that they try to cheat (by electric car and batteries? combustion engine with hidden tank? "air tank" filled with methane or hydrogen (there is actual conversion kit to natural gas which works). The history of perpetual motion machines is full of such demonstration with hidden energy sources. Batteries for a longer distance driving should be observable, combustion engine with gas would produce exhaust fumes and CO2 or with hydrogen at least water.

They promised last year's materials that it would have been ready on February, then June 2009. There was also in written a huge horse power info about prototype, which has not been presented anywhere. And motor cycle was presented in a "hangar".
If they are going to start on November there should be a verifiable factory producing the kits as they say and they should be delivering not one kit but thousands if the franchise is going to operate as indicated in November, the franchise should also have the conversion facilities quite ready and technical people being hired??

A kind explanation would be that the owner of Australian franchise is not good with technology and in understanding business (air4zero website does not represent a hint of a verifiable reliable business involving identifiable people, note that the cv:s of the fake people have disappeared from the main site, or a hint of a legal authority registered and thus verifiable company; except the Australian person, if not stolen identity). More likely the Australian person is a pure conman.


My bet would be that no miracle will be delivered, but they are trying to sell the thing as long as possible. Every person and claim should be documented (identities could be wrong but photgraphs and recording could be useful evidence).

Australian site has been in repair over a month,
it is definitely not a major business starting to sell products next mont.
Above you can see the names of the previous businesses
of the US fraudsters and there is no business but advertisements.

The fraudsters apparently are still getting money and cheating people.

Now they are apparently claiming that this forum
"so called myth busters" is part of oil industry and
US govenrment conspiracy against alternative fuels.

It is also suggested that because the fake, impossible and without-any-evidence
of-real-patents/development-by-real-people technology has not proven wrong ist must be true

The following post is on from a site nicely already pointing the cheap scam:
http://www.franworst.com/2009/02/18/air ... nt-page-1/

ElDario Cafe on September 18th, 2009 11:12 am
Well – no one has answered the question – including the so called myth busters. Is Air4zero a scam, or is the market scared spitless about the technology? No one has put up any proof that a new approach to an OLD TECHNOLOGY will not work. It appears that the suppliers for automotive truck fuels are trying to stop any changes AGAIN. And this comment should include fuel for aircraft, major suppliers for electric power, and so on. The US government has ripped up our lives with rotten stupid theatrics on the economy – is the US government part of the stop alternative fuels, and just giving lip service to change? It may be late to ____ or get off the pot.


To remind and provide some answer to ElDario Cafe and his friends at Air4Zero

This is cheap scam and fraud
based on Franworst above
and also this forum
and several reference including technolgy journals cited: Popular Mecanics etc.

The problem here is not Big Oil conspiracy but simply being a stupid pyramid scam. There is no evidence on patents, or registered stocks or real product development and lots of fake names and address etc.

If you have met a convincing salesman, please check rip-off reports of their previous businesses Elmer Stores Network, AGM (Alegro Global Marketing), first having registered the air4zero.com, typical pyramid scams.


Is there uneducated and rich people who does not use internet buying your "stocks" in USA, or more likely in Mexico or India?

The company references are fake including
data about tens or hundreds of patents (none registered,in Australia there is report of showing license to a non-valid patent.
there is no registed company, registered tradable stock, no real people (even the fake names and resumes of "directors" already disappeared from the site). Even the addresses of companies
Such details are verifiable and exist about real companies.

There is no verifiable data about technology no prototype presented, though claims about functioning prototypes has been made for over a year. The technological claim 20 000 miles with worth of 10 $ pressurized air is simply
not possible with laws of physics, driving a car for 20 000 miles requires hundreds to thousands times more energy than any pressurization energy worht 10 $. The thermodymics and common sense says: Energy is conserved, there is no free energy appearing like that. The claim of recycling the air low pressure after motor to high pressure would make a perpetual mobile,which does not happen.

The problem of Air4Zero is not opposition by "Big Oil" but simply being a
pyramid scam which has been revealed. There is no evidence about real business or technology, but typical pyramid scam features with network marketing providing money for you if you cheat your friends, family or other people to the obvious scam.

It is November and there is no products on the markets,

They were claiming that they had getting conversion garages ready and they were hiring people. Now the US page claims 6 months technical development needed to be ready in June 2010. These are professional internet cheaters and with verifiable
connection to at least two major international scams, see discussion above.

They for the car had a first dead line
February 2009 in first campaign page, deadline
June 2009 is still visible in a page (webpage 1 below, copied because the info disappears without explanation), then is was
November 2009 on the US and Australia pages,
January 2010 has been recently updated (webpage 2 below) and now they say
June 2010 on the US page.

The moterocycle has been claimed to be publicly presented in July 2008 and page on
webpage 2 (same page recently updated with car to january 2010) it has been ready on market since June 2009.

The Australian site was under update about whole October, then there was info about new vice president and now it is again in update. This is not a page of company coming to market, but page of fraudster when they are packing they suitcases for Caribian
http://www.air4zero.com.au/
SITE UNDER UPDATE! Return Back Later...


Webpage 1
http://www.a4z.camp9.org/Default.aspx?pageId=171268
ABOUT US!
Air4Zero is a worlds leading in scientist and research for free energy resources since 1999! Our advanced technology will solve the oil uprising prices and most of all the global warming, you will be able to run your car on compressed pure air with zero pollution, with no need to refuel your car ever again. You don't need Gas, Oil, or Hybrid, you will run your car for free lifetime.

air4zero headquarters!
Air4Zero is the 2 year-old Israel-based company headed by Raphael Ben, inventor of the Air Engine Conversion. A former aeronautics and Formula One racecar engineer, Mr. Raphael has been working diligently with his son, and about thirty other engineers to bring the Compressed Air technology to market (A4Z). To date, the company holds many patents in over 120 countries for their innovative Conversion of fuel engines to run on Compressed Air!

The Founders
Initially, Raphael developed a revolutionary 8 cylinder fuel engine to run on pure air that needs no refuel ever again, with a revolving valve system. His interest in the environment led him to first develop a bi-energy engine that ran on gasoline and compressed Air in order to reduce consumption. With this bi-energy engine in hand and investors knocking at his door, A4Z was founded in 2004. The company is headed by the A4Z Holding Company in Jerusalem and has a prototype factory in Guanzou, China. A4Z recently completed and finalize its technology and its Air Car for the public by June 2009. Air4Zero is the first entity that will manufacture and sell the conversion kits to A4Z authorized dealers to provide this service globally!

Air4ZeroTeam
Ben Raphael, the CEO founder of A4Z Group, trained engine manufacturer who holds over 100 patents. From early in his career, he has focused his research on improving the efficiency of engines. He started in 1967 at It is around that time, for environmental concerns, that he became interested in developing a zero pollution engine that runs on compressed air and established, in 2004, the company now known as the A4Z Group.

Ami Ben David, A4Z Director, holds an engineering degree from the National Engineering Israel Aerospace Industries is globally recognized as a leader in developing military and commercial aerospace technology!

Ami Ben David as an Army Aircraft leader is the senior group of Israel Aerospace Industries, a multinational company serving customers around the globe. He led and provides under one roof the best-value, comprehensive maintenance services for aircraft, engines and components, including heavy maintenance, modifications, upgrades, conversions and development programs, all at minimum down time. His valuable knowledge help A4Z to bring to the global market an engine that runs on pure air with zero cost to run and zero pollution!

Uri Dahan, A4Z Vice President and CEO of Zero Pollution Motors, has a career in the raw material and mining industry has spanned 25 years. He has been involved in a wide range of metals and minerals ranging from aluminum to zinc. However, his experience has been primarily focused on high technology materials such as germanium and includes his participation in the U.S. government panel to determine the germanium specs for its Strategic Stockpile. He has been involved in the marketing of the world’s largest producer of cobalt to Eastern Europe and China. He joined the A4Z team as an investor and a promoter of the technology in the mid 90’s.

FREE ELECTRIC FOR HOMES!
We are in progress of building a self content unit powered by air, that will generate electricity for home use with 4MGV ( 4000 Kilo Watts ) means that you can turn on all your appliances, air condition, boiler, lights with zero cost and zero pollution!

to use the same technology to generate electricity for homes, industrial, and power plant that will generate 2700 MGV providing electricity to one Million homes for a very low cost, and zero pollution!


Webpage 2.
http://www.a4z.camp9.org/Default.aspx?pageId=171265

Air4Zero Bike First Air Bike On The Roads On June 2009
As of now Air4Zero is working on the first prototype of converting a fuel motor bike to run on compressed air, with no need to refuel air ever again, with more power and zero pollution! Its about time to beat the oil uprising prices and finally make a dream come true!
The latest testing shows that the Air4Zero compressed air technology, is giving more power to the engine using air Ruther than fuel! Visit more often our site to get more news about our testing progress!

Air4Zero Cars First Air Cars Will Be On The Roads On January 2010
Air4Zero is working on converting 4, 6, and 8 cylinders fuel engines to run on compressed air, with the same technology of the Air Bike, according to our testing, we will gain more power by running the fuel engines on air than oil! In a V-8 engine with 260 HP our testing shows that we gain an extra 80 more HP by running the fuel engine with compressed air! Soon you can run your car on pure air with no need to refuel your car ever again' and with zero pollution! By running your car with pure air, the life of your engine will triple the mileage running on air!


Webpage 3
http://www.a4z.camp9.org/Default.aspx?p ... entDetails

First Air Motor Bike Start July 21, 2008 12:30 PMEnd July 23, 2008 12:00 PM
Location Air4zero Number 10 Hanger
Internal combustion engine having compressed air supply passages therein for routing compressed air to charge injectors

A V-type internal combustion engine includes cylinder heads having respective compressed-air supply channels extending therein for providing fluid communication between an air compressor and charge injectors. Formation of condensation in the compressed-air supply channels is prevented. Charge injectors are provided in the respective cylinder heads, for directly injecting charges of fuel-air mixture into combustion chambers in cylinders. Compressed-air supply channels extend from an air compressor to the respective charge injectors, including a shared channel provided in a crankcase, and branched supply channels provided in each of the respective cylinder blocks. The compressed-air supply channels are internal conduits formed by attaching the cylinder blocks to the crankcase. In addition, cooling of the compressed air in the compressed-air supply channels is prevented during engine operation, so that formation of condensation within the compressed-air supply channels is prevented.

Here is some ripoff report information about
Elmer Stores Network, the organization founded the Air4Zero.com
apparently they are still using Israel bank connection supporting
the operations.
Most victims are from developing countries, where people
are not so aware of these scams.

materials are from
http://www.ripoffreport.com/

Elmer Stores Network
Phone:
Fax: 717-3261190 6000 Ventura Blvd,
Encino, California 91436
U.S.A.

On February, 2008 I made the biggest financial mistake in my life, remitting US $ 2.100, (promotional Bronz membership) -to the Israel Discount Bank in Jerusalem in favor of Elmer Stores, for a Lifetime Business Ownership Order as an Affiliate with Elmer Network Stores, which they claimed will give me an annual guaranteed income of US $ 45.000, with a money back policy for the coming 12 months. They Claim that Elmer is the complete Home Business package, which provide satisfied customers, around the world, with a fully automated home business solution, that guarantees income up to $250,000, with a money back policy! And that Elmer is a world leader in the home based business industry since 1998!

They also claim that without any special skills or internet experience, you can easily plug into their easy-to-follow on-line training, and have your own Internet Store up and running in no time! And that your Store, easily managed from the comfort of your home or office, can generate a weekly income of $500 to $5000! That you will have the benefit of their marketing experts to help you each and every step of the way, and teach you how to successfully drive over 30,000 visitors to your site each month! That Elmer will provide you with your very own fully setup and stocked Internet Store and your own personal web address! Your Store will offer over 45 million products and services from the worlds leading merchants from all over the globe! Your Store remains open 24/7, worldwide, and you make money day and night!
But since starting as an Affiliate with Elmer Stores Network for over six month now, nothing has happened and no single dime has been paid to me.

I have sent several e-mails to Ryan Glanville, Suzan & Ronald Carter and others in this criminal organization without any response. It is very clear that Elmer Stores is nothing but a Scam with the help of Israeli Discount bank, telling people that they are the second largest bank in Israel.

Now they tell me that my account has been suspended and I could not login under my affiliate button. It is clear that they do not give a damn about anybody who has paid for an affiliate business.

Elmer Stores Network, AGM (Alegro Global Marketing) Addtional information on my report of 2/18/2008 Encino California
...Elmer Stores Network, AGM (Alegro Global Marketing)

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Elmer Stores Network, AGM (Alegro Global Marketing)
Phone: 717-326-1190
Fax: 717-326-1190 1600 Ventura Blvd.
Encino, California 91436
U.S.A.

Submitted: Tuesday, February 19, 2008
Last posting: Tuesday, February 19, 2008
Khon Buri, Other


Searching the internet about information about Elmer Stores Network or AGM (Alegro Global Marketing) I found following information:

Searching the yellow pages for Elmer Stores Network, Encino, I got the answer:
"No listings found for Elmer Stores Network within 50 miles of Encino CA 91436"

Searching for the phone number
717 - 326 - 1190 I found:

Phone Location: York, PA Name and address available against payment.

On this site you will also find a rebuttal report of Robert Wissner, searching the internet on criminal records the following name was found: Robin M. Wissner, by coincidence also living in Pennsylvania (PA). And in my opinion "Wissner" is not a common name in the USA.

When you login at http://www.elmer-stores
.com you will see Merchant Certified. When contacting the Better Business Bureau I reported this through their LivePerson e-mail and got this morning a form to fill in together with a part of their internal communication between Eneida Martinez and Gary Almond, where the latter says about me: "This guy got ripped off. He would have to give us more info, The phone number he gave is not in our area"

I hope there will be taken actions against this criminal organization, as well as to the Israel Discount Bank as soon as possible.

Elmer Stores Network - AGM - Alegro Global Marketing
Phone: 717-326-1190
Fax: 717-326-1190 1600 Ventura Blvd.
Encino, California CA 91436
U.S.A.

Submitted: Monday, February 18, 2008
Posted: Monday, February 18, 2008
Khon Buri, Other


On December 17th, 2007 I made the biggest financial mistake in my life, remitting US $ 3.500,-- to the Discount Israel Bank in Jerusalem, which is supporting a criminal organization. This bank, telling that they are the second bank of Israel, is working together with a criminal organization and so far did not reply to about 10 e-mails sent. So if you have an account with this bank, stop with them and go to an other bank. Since the start with the Elmer Stores Network, formerly working under the name of Alegro Global Marketing (AGM), nothing has happened. Still 6 support tickets are unanswered, an e-mail with 5 questions, sent to Ryan Glanville is unanswered and even before I published my first report at this site, I could not login under my affiliate button. It is clear that they do not give a damn about somebody, who has paid for a affiliate business, although they are talking that you can have the benefit of over 45 million products and services, that are sold from over 600 of the world's leading brand-name merchants, in two months not a single product has been sold through my shopping website. Because there are no shops connected at all to the Elmer Stores Network, it is all about stealing your sign-up fee.

Elmer Stores Network Hi Fellows, FALSE Physical Address Given In Their Website Nationwide
...Elmer stores business the thing ever happend to me and all our friends

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Elmer Stores Network
Phone:
Fax: FALSE Physical Address Given In Their Wesite
FALSE Physical Address Given In Their Website, Nationwide
U.S.A.

Submitted: Tuesday, December 25, 2007
Last posting: Monday, January 21, 2008
Erzurum, Other


Beware of Elmer Stores Network elmer-stores.com/ since it is a pure scam.They have been operating Allegro Global Marketing scam as well for many years now.

(agmstores.com/ or http://store-owner.com/)
Please, check out the threads below :
http://www.wahm.com/boards/Forum8/HTML/000365.html

When you compare these two deeply, you will notice similarity of the structure of the scams certainly.

GG
Erzurum
Turkey


http://www.wahm.com/boards/Forum8/HTML/000365.html
Dear Online Associates,
Well,I am writing to warn you all about the AGM Allegro Global Marketing company's fraudulent activity related to their internet shopping mall scam!
I already have had a Gold Ownership which I purchased paying 6,540 USD+40 USD bank wire transfer charges to Israel;

bank name :Israel Discount bank
bank branch :060
bank address : Ben Yahuda Street No:11
bank city :Jerusalem
bank country :Israel
bank zip code :94624
bank account# :9802886
bank swift code:IDBLILITJLM

(that was a darn fortune for me in Turkey!!)on 19th of August,2004 and I was sent the necessary information on 27th of August,2004 in order to reach my training course at http://www.store-owner.com/steps. After the training I started advertising as instructed!!.(Later I have checked out the position of www.store-owner.com site through Alexa and seen that their rank is real high comparably..it still is?!One can easily understand that there must have been much more people suffering from these scamming bloody > vampires!!)

Since then ,I never ever heard a single news??? about my commissisons!But I know my individual sites getting increasing traffic hit by means of several software programs that I also paid hundreds of dollars for!!!
I have not gotten any support and I have been trying to reach my own reports by writing several e-mails to the Commissions Department at the billing link.However I couldnot get any reply so far .I still have had no response for quite a few e-mails I sent intermittently so far. I also tried sending my same request to several other departments including the Sales,Billing,Legal Division,and Refund but no reply yet! They are not ever answering any correspondence at all when it comes to asking for an affiliate report.

Recently a close friend of mine adviced me to check whether this might be SCAM?.. and searching took me the scams site on the net ..I have just noticed that has been all SCAM :-/!!

I made a search at the internet and you will find several links through where I have found a lot of similar complaints as well from people all over the world suffering from Allegro Global Marketing!!
http://badbusinessbureau.com/results.asp ?q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21&q5=AGM++International&submit=Search
http://netscams.golden.net/Forum/YaBB.c ... 91406768;s tart=6
http://www.worldwidescam.com/home.htm
http://www.strike-the-root.com/cgi-loca ... ion=displa y;num=1099606813
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?s=5b ... 10b9&t=896
http://www.wahm.com/boards/Forum8/HTML/000365.html

PLEASE , CLICK FOR THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION REPORTS ON SERIOUS RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/dotcon/bizop.htm

Later I had seek all throughout the net more and noticed though there were many victims unfortunately , so far I couldnot find a really serious solid organization that is capable of tracking down them!

Later, I have even sent several complaining e-mails to their bank in Israel and asked also for their physical address,but no reply yet! Who knows their bank might be also dealing with this fraudulent activity as well!!?

Sure if the victims unite and act together, that may help much.I donot know how many people need to come together to form a solid foundation officially effective to make our voice heard?

Another point I am sending my complaints to USA based organizations and if there is any Israel organization responsible for such crimes I really need to get in touch with someone from Israel,too.But I think the possibility that it might be an off-shore based organization!! And apart from that ,since this is an international fraudulent activity and in this case all of us have to look for international spots to send our complaints to deal with them.

Hope we get succsess in finding a way in order to have those scammers put into jail as soon as possible !

I do hope all these help you in some way or other to support the evidence much more deeply.

Kindest Regards,

P.S. Below is a specific summary of the situation mentioned herein:


Subject of Your Complaint: BusinessOpportunities, Multi-Level Marketing, Education
Name of Company You Are Complaining About: Allegro Global Marketing
Street Address: 100 West 10th St Suite 202
City: Wilmington
State/ Province: Delaware
Country: UNITED STATES
Zip Code or Postal Code: 19801
Company Web Site: http://www.store-owner.com ,or http://www.agm-stores.com
Company E-Mail Address: agm@store-owner.com,or support@store-owner.com,or allegro@store-owner.com, or web@store-owner.com
Phone Number: (720)5287971
How Did the Company Initially Contact You?: Internet (Other)
How Much Did the Company Ask You to Pay?: 6540
How Much Did You Actually Pay the Company?: 6540
How Did You Pay the Company?: Bank Money Order
AGM Company responsible:
First Name Jennifer
Last Name: Stone
Date Company Contacted You: 08/18/2004 (MM/DD/YYYY)


[This message has been edited by mismis (edited November 04, 2007).]

If you read the rip-off reports above you may be interested
how are Elmer Store Network (registrant of air4zero webpage)
megabusinesses doing:

www.elmer-stores.com
Does not work, registered from same IP as air4zero

www.store-owner.com/
this is parked with ads, possible for sale or later scams

www.agmstores.com
for sale for 8.99 $
http://www.who.is/domain-suggestions/agm-stores.com/

The Australian site is still coming back soon, though the magabusiness was to start in the beginning of the last month and the director was selling franchises with the machines just coming to the country.
The site is really similar to their previous business web sites in the last message above

The dead line for the car conversion kit was changed to June 2010. There is no evidence about the product. They will change the dead line once again. Obviously there are people who pay far this product about which there is no single evidence just crazy stories year after year.